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Creation Vs. Evolution

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Postby VIP on Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:29 pm

Neighborhood Studios wrote:I wouldn't say "ridiculously" flawed.


I would. It has been off by millions of years.
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Postby Pirate92 on Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:07 pm

Neighborhood Studios wrote:The biblical flood was not a "small flood" as you implied.


Theres whare theres it wen't wrong. I never said Noah's flood was small, I said evolutionists think leanardo was burried in a small flood.

I know Noah's flood was like as they say, "All *ell broke loose!" Volcanos, earth quakes, and storms were happening when the earth was being completely covered in water. I don't klnow how you thought I meant Noah's flood was small. Because I know it was completely global.
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Postby Neighborhood Studios on Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:31 pm

Then we're all on the same page!

I said evolutionists think leanardo was burried in a small flood.


Didn't know that a flood in the Renaissance would have an impact on evolution...where did you read that?
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Postby Alison on Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:59 pm

Pirate92 wrote:Evolutionsts even now are completely confused about things like they are wondering how a new dino foscle called leanardo was preserved the way it was, their exsuse was a small local flood, but can not explain it being burried as rapidly as need to focselize it during the mumifying process. (it's pretty cool their finding it's insides on special xray thingys). The flood and quick burryal are obviously caused by Noah's flood, and the catastrofic mud slides.

uh....that's impossible because noah's flood happened after dino time. humans and dinosaurs have never lived on earth at the same time
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Postby Pirate92 on Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:22 pm

NeighborhoodStudios: I didn't read it I watched the discovery channel. You'll understand more if you look HERE

Alison: You believe God made us through Evolution, right? that's a position you don't want to be in. You see, Dinosour foscles are found in the same dirt layers as human foscles at the same depth, if evolution is true, they would be MUCH DEEEEEPER then human foscles because the milions of years between them would leave the dinos burried under much more earth. Infact, did you ever consider dinos being on the ark?

Look at The Book of Job in the Bible, it mencions bahemith, you immagine an elephant or hippo right? Wrong. Tail like a sedar, you know what a sedar is? It's a very tall tree. Neither an elephant or hippo have a long tail that sways like a sedar. It's probubly something else, but whats bigger then an elephant or hippo? Not much... Only a dinosour could fit this description.
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Postby VIP on Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:22 am

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Postby Pirate92 on Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:39 pm

Sorry, still working on my spelling.
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Postby Alison on Thu Oct 02, 2008 8:25 pm

hehe my bad now i feel stupid lol. i didn't really research or anything when i said that i guess i've just always been told that dinosaurs and humans never existed together :D
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Postby Neighborhood Studios on Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:08 pm

"Leonardo" was found in Montana almost fully intact. Ninety percent of his body is covered in skin. We know what he ate for his last meal. What makes this so impressive? Leonardo is a 77 million-year-old dinosaur.


Humans were in no way around 77 million years ago, so there's no way there was co-existance. At most, humans originated 200,000 years ago - so the dinosaur they found is nearly 400 times older than the birth of humans today.
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Postby Pirate92 on Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:22 pm

You believe in God made us through evolution also? I believe it was all in a week so...
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Postby Neighborhood Studios on Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:36 pm

Let me try to clarify a few things:

Do you believe dinosaurs and humans co-existed? Your Discovery Channel video disproves this theory, so where is your proof that such a thing, if you believe it, did happen?

Do you believe that everything came to be in 168 hours? Literally? Would you be able to accept that for God, time is not relevant, and that what might have taken an extraordinary amount of time to create would have taken far less for Him? Or is He so powerless that time applies to Him, though He created it?
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Postby Pirate92 on Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:24 pm

I never said it's a fact Humans and dinos Co-existed, it's just what I believe. At curent time I have no proof of this.

Second, I believe God was NOT speaking figeratively when he said 7 days, from Sunday to Saterday. I believe it took 1-2-3-4-5-6 days, and he rested on the 7th.

What about you NeighborhoodStudios? Do you believe "7 days", "Creation through Evolution", or just "Evolution"?
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Postby Neighborhood Studios on Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:22 pm

I never said it's a fact Humans and dinos Co-existed, it's just what I believe. At curent time I have no proof of this.
Then why your post about the Discovery Channel video? It serves no purpose for any of your arguments.

I believe in creation through evolution, simply because it makes sense to me. So far no one has proved it wrong, so I have no reason to change my belief.

And I believe that it did not take seven days to create the universe and all life. Keep in mind, that you must tread carefully here. If you say that it took exactly 1 week of our time to create everything, then you are saying that God is subject to the rules of time according to mortals. You are saying that time is more powerful than God.

I think that when we look at human existence, we are like characters in a book, and God is the author. He can write (and therefore action occurs) that the Earth was created. He can then, in the next second write down (create) that there was light, and so forth. Or, He can take a break and come back to our story in an hour. Regardless of how much time, relatively, it took for God to write down our history (create everything), if it takes 3 minutes of His time or billions of years, it has a different effect on us that Him.

A writer can end one paragraph, in the Middle Ages. He can then start the next paragraph 2000 years later. My point is, for the author, the time in the book that he chooses for the characters has no effect on him. Likewise, God is out of our time - what might take Him a minute could, for us, be millions and millions of years. We just don't know.

Does that make sense?
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Postby VIP on Tue Oct 07, 2008 3:48 pm

If you follow that train of logic you could also say that God created the world in seven seconds. God never said how far apart the days were or how long Adam and Eve spend in Eden, although most will tell you about a hundred years, but from my chair evolution just doesn't look viable. From a physicists standpoint it's laughable. If they come up with something else or something that proves more solid I'll be happy to conform but for right now, I'm stuck in my fundamentalist belief system.
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Postby Neighborhood Studios on Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:08 pm

True. The point I'm hoping to make is that time for God is most likely different for us. Therefore, that would open the possibility that what took God 7 days, or 7 seconds, or 30 years, could, for our time, take 4 billion years. Certainly it's possible, and definitely feasible in our intellectual, scientific world.

Specifically, how is evolution completely silly to you? Surely it makes a little more sense than believing that humans always existed as is, and never changed - because we know that humans didn't exist when dinosaurs roamed the earth.
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