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Neighborhoodstudios wrote:If you say that it took exactly 1 week of our time to create everything, then you are saying that God is subject to the rules of time according to mortals. You are saying that time is more powerful than God.

1. I don't think God is bound by time, I just think he was speaking litteraly when he said one week, I do not believe God is exagerating about his power over time is all I'm saying.

2. The leanardo project was to proove my point that Evolutionists are confused about things that are completely explained by the Bible, but you are calling it meaningless because this discussion has gone from "Creation VS. Evolution" to "How long did it take God?"

You wrote previously that your example of the dinosaur proved that it was preserved as a result of Noah's flood - therefore saying that dinosaurs lived in human time. I think you were trying to make two points: 1) that evolutionists are confused, and 2) our opinion of time is flawed because dinosaurs lived with humans. I'm focused on proving wrong point number 2.

I don't think God is bound by time, I just think he was speaking litteraly when he said one week

What do you mean? 1 week as we would observe it, or one week as God might experience it?

but you are calling it meaningless because this discussion has gone from "Creation VS. Evolution" to "How long did it take God?"

Actually, looking back on page 1, both arguments for time and creation/evolution were brought up, so I am not changing the subject, merely continuing it. My opinion is that the dinosaur idea is flawed for time issues.

You are half way between two completely opesite beliefs, The Bible talks about Dinosours the same time as humans, so you don't believe the Bible? Don't come back with "I believe most of it" you agree with it or you don't. Because you are half way in your beliefs the arguement is pointless for mebecause I have never encountered someone who believes what you do. I'm upset to say I'm stepping down. Someone with experience in the feild of debate should take over here.

You have never ever met anyone who believes in science and the Bible? Absolutely everyone I know at my Catholic high school believes in parts of the Bible, and disagrees with parts. I don't know of anyone who agrees with every part of it, word for word!

But anyways, here's what Catholics think about evolution:

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2004/0401bt.asp

It's a definite possibility, and it would be ridiculous to disregard it. Think of all the leaps and bounds our understanding of our world has taken as a result of this thinking.

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The Catholic Church has no qualms with the theory of evolution. This sort of "war" between science and religion is a false dichotomy perpetrated by the media, radical atheists, and evangelicals, beginning sometime in the late 19th century.

Oh, and the other single most important thing is that discovering the "how" of God's work doesn't remove God. Finding tools and plans doesn't eliminate the one who created and used the tools and plans; rather, discovering those tools and plans points to a toolmaker and planner.

The Bible doesn't make any mention of dinosaurs. And even if it did, there's still the issue that animals weren't made on the same "day" as humans. So there is still a good possibility that dinosaurs could have been made on "one day" and could have died out the "next day", by reasoning that our time may very well be different from God's perspective.

But don't get upset! I'm trying to get you to explain your view, and I'm trying to defend mine. Wouldn't it be a boring world if we all agreed on everything, and had the same belief system?

Ok I'll stay. If you think people and dinos did not co-exist, why are there small tribs in other contrys saying they recognise pictures of dinos shown to them? And what is the locnas monster? A dino,. Evolutionists are just to scared they will be proved wrong of human/dino co existance to look for it. I have no evidence of this but it is what I believe. So if you keep telling me humans and dinos did not co-exist, you need to hav folable evidence.

If you think people and dinos did not co-exist, why are there small tribs in other contrys saying they recognise pictures of dinos shown to them?

What do you mean by that? Like uncivilized tribes in Africa or something? Do you have any links to this evidence?

And the Loch Ness monster is widely considered to be a hoax - I've seen lots of shows on SciFi and the History Channel that have tried to prove its existence, but have found nothing substantial. It would be impossible for an animal of such a large size to hide in a lake from tech crews doing a full sweep and search.

My belief that dinosaurs and humans didn't co-exist comes from scientific teaching, I guess. We're taught that humans came into existence less than 1 million years ago, while all the dinosaurs died 65 million years ago. There aren't any cave drawings or pictures made thousands of years ago to support co-existence.

How could we survive living among dinosaurs - look at Jurassic Park, for example! Even with technology, we were hard-pressed to survive. Physically, humans couldn't have competed.

I have no evidence of this but it is what I believe. So if you keep telling me humans and dinos did not co-exist, you need to hav folable evidence.

If you have no evidence, why should I have to have evidence?

THIS is a carving from an ancient buddist temple, it is obvious what it is. Whare do you thnik they saw this? The temple itself is older then when people we're digging up a bunch of foscles left and right.

Heres some loch ness monster ones:
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5 (I admit this might have been special effects, but looks real enough for me)
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I know your thinking "Special effects" But you have to admit it, most of these can most definitly be accepted as folable evidence!

Humans surviving with dinosours: Ok lets take the most dangerousone T-Rex, how fast was he in the movie? getting up to 60mph right? A scientist actually looked into this and found that the structure of the T-Rex was not built for speed, HERE

A human can definitly live with that, as long as they carry a spear with them, which in old times was very common thing! How about knights tales? Who do you think the dragons are? Dinos are considdered extinct because of their low numbers, never seen, but realy they were just killed off, not all killed in a catastrofic meteor, ice age, etc.

OK. I only accept folable evidence, so no "Evolution Facts" or "Scientist said so" things.

If the only we know of dinosours was foscles there would be no dragon storys from midevil times or things like that.

All I can see in the videos are dark shapes in the water...those can be explained by water currents and shadows cast by clouds, or even schools of fish. Other videos are in close zoom, only showing water and not the lake itself. The underwhelming response of the public watching, along with whistles shows that its much more likely amateur videographers filming whales on a tour in the ocean. When it's zoomed in, it could easily be in the Atlantic and no one would be the wiser.

What does "folable" mean? Do you mean infallible?

Anyways, at any rate, online video isn't by any means truth. If I believed the video I saw on youtube about a giant shark jumping out of the water in San Fransisco and eating a diver, and said it was rock-hard evidence because it was online, I would probably be a fool. Fact of the matter is, to be true we need real evidence provided by professionals.

The picture you provided is definitely of a dinosaur carved into stone. But look here:

Dinosaur fossils have been known for millennia, although their true nature was not recognized. The Chinese, whose modern word for dinosaur is konglong (恐龍, or "terrible dragon"), considered them to be dragon bones and documented them as such. For example, Hua Yang Guo Zhi, a book written by Zhang Qu during the Western Jin Dynasty, reported the discovery of dragon bones at Wucheng in Sichuan Province. Villagers in central China have been digging up dinosaur bones for decades, thinking they were from dragons, to make traditional medicine. In Europe, dinosaur fossils were generally believed to be the remains of giants and other creatures killed by the Great Flood.

So any stories made in the past about dragons can be explained through the fact that bones and skeletons were found thousands and thousands of years ago, and got its way into folklore.

I only accept folable evidence, so no "Evolution Facts" or "Scientist said so" things.

If you do not accept evidence or facts from accredited professionals, then by process of elimination that means that you take as true things that are unproven, that could be claimed by my aunt or anyone in the world, any theory or hoax that is online. Right? In 1 hour I could go into my programs and make a video just like the Loch Ness ones, and it would look absolutely real.

dude i hate to break it to you, but im pretty sure that 5th "nessie" video you had is a clip from The Water Horse lol

Alison wrote:dude i hate to break it to you, but im pretty sure that 5th "nessie" video you had is a clip from The Water Horse lol

I agree, it was way to revealing.

Neighborhood studios. I'm bored of this arguing about faith and religon, I have posted things here in the past even I don't agree with now, what if some time in the future I don't think I went the right way here. I'm stopping myself. Besides, I now know I am not educated enough to be arguing in this topic, I am not giving up, but I believe that an arguement like this deserves to be in court or something, not on a forum for movie making.

I'll respect your wishes.

but I believe that an arguement like this deserves to be in court or something, not on a forum for movie making.

Unfortunately it seems to me that only debates on current issues and religion are what is keeping this site as active as it is - we don't really get any posts on filmmaking topics whatsoever.

Oh well, that's not such a bad thing. With film making if you know the question you can easily find the answer. The had thing is knowing the question.

Neighborhood Studios wrote:we don't really get any posts on filmmaking topics whatsoever.

I join you in sorrow...

But as the forum users we should start making movies, talking about professional effects that not many people here know how to do and try it.

O my gosh! You want some good stuff on evolution, go to [url]drdino.com[/url]. It is amazing! I am reading article after article after article! Jeeze. Evolution is really not looking to good...