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This was a discussion that started taking place in the guestbook, so I though it would be better off here.

Connor Berge:
Hey Alison. By all means that is fantastic. I just deleted the comment about the body and blood of Christ. I did a lot of research on it. Very interesting. I would just rather this post go into the EMW forum rather than the guestbook. I don't want to scare anyone away from God. However, I have created a Forum just for this. Please discuss! It is the forum that has gotten the most attention to. Keep up the burning fire of God! I couldn't be more happy for you! 1 second ago

Alison J.:
like, supernatural things happen at these conferences all over the united states! the kids there, are so overcome by His presence it gets so emotional and everyone reacts in a different way. In just one night of adoration you will hear people screaming, you will hear people sobbing, you will hear people laughing hysterically! some people even faint. others just stand there in awe and praise God silently. the amount of love people show for eachother is amazing. I was hugging and praying over people i hardly even knew! steubenville is such a moving experience i want to go every year until i'm too old and feeble to even get out of bed! now i can't wait to go out into the world and show them all God's mercy and love and grace! i want to be His witness! I want people to know I am Christian by my love!!! 14 hours ago

Alison J.:
anyways as i was saying, i got back from the steubenville youth conference in louisiana yesterday and it was absolutely amazing!! there were like, 3000 plus teens there all going positively crazy about jesus!!! every one was like, so passionate about God! it was a very eye-opening experience for me. especially during the eucharistic adoration. the bishop and the knights of colombus and a bunch of priests and missionaries paraded the Eucharist around the auditorium. now as a catholic, we beleive that the Eucharist, the host, is really and truly the body of Jesus Christ. (i have the bible AND science backing me up on that one) so to be in that room, and to actually feel jesus's presence there with us in that little piece of bread was so intense! i remember my first year at a conference i think i was in shock or something from the spiritual high i was getting. 14 hours ago

Veronica:
girl amen. steubenville was AHmazing. I AM NOT A PARROT. and yeah i totally agree that you (alison) are just being a WITNESS. and its pretty uncool that you deleted Alison's other comments, conner. i thought you were christian yourself...but its what she believes and its something that she be taken open mindedly at least. 14 hours ago

Alison J.:
dude connor! i can't beleive you deleted my comments. i mean really, i just got back from steubenville and i'm filled with the holy spirit. i'm like, on a spiritual high right now! the whole theme of the conference was to be a witness. that's what i'm trying to do here, be a witness. i know your a religious guy and stuff, so could you help a fellow christian out here?

Honestly, I think it's typical mob mentality.

I'd like to see the "science" backing her up, though.

here is some "scientific" research you asked for

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharisti ... anciano.29

at least check it out. its pretty amazing.

here is some more research for you. its pretty cool. make sure you read all of it the good stuff is at the end
http://www.miraclerosarymission.org/lanciano.html

Wow. I don't know if I should say anything...

The articles where taken from two books promoting Catholicism.

I don't know. Ill keep my mouth shut.

Its the little things that split faith, and not something we should really be worrying about. Tis important to see the actual picture.

And sorry that I deleted your comments on the guestbook.

I just don't want to scar people away. Thanks for the posts!

Allison:

First, since you are new to this board, know that I do not represent Connor or anyone else on the board for that matter. My opinion is only my own.

Now, with that out of the way, your evidence is neither scientific, nor actual research. Your wikipedia link has no citations at all, which means it is merely opinion--hearsay.

Though I admit I did not read your second link thoroughly, I did skim it eager to see actual research. There was none. Just a nice little story. There was mention of research at the very bottom. I read up on this study. Just because they can't confirm how the shroud was created does not mean scientists concede.

I read further literature on the subject. There are several theories that are more plausible than Eucharistic Miracle believers claim.

Your links were very interesting, but they are not research. They are something though.

dude first of all i didn't post that wikipedia one that was V. and second of all what angle are you coming from? You want us to show you proof that the Eucharist is real, but what are you? are you christian? are you atheist? What is your view on this subject? That would really help us in providing you with real proof.

And Connor, whats wrong with the sources being from books on Catholicism? seeing as Catholics are the only denomination that actually beleives in the Eucharist, where else would we find decent information on the Body and Blood?

Alison wrote:dude first of all i didn't post that wikipedia one that was V.

Sorry. Lack of icons threw me off.

and second of all what angle are you coming from? You want us to show you proof that the Eucharist is real, but what are you? are you christian? are you atheist? What is your view on this subject? That would really help us in providing you with real proof.

It doesn't matter what I am. By asking me that question, you are telling me you don't have proof but rather a story that you want to tailor to my beliefs. If you have real proof, give me it regardless of my religious beliefs. I'm Christian leaning, but I consider myself spiritual and not religious. But, that is inconsequential.

And Connor, whats wrong with the sources being from books on Catholicism? seeing as Catholics are the only denomination that actually beleives in the Eucharist, where else would we find decent information on the Body and Blood?

I'm not Connor, but I can explain that one.

If I told you that there was a flying purple people eater, but the only "proof" I could give was from the Flying Purple People Eater Bible, would you believe me? If so, they would be incredibly naive. You need unbiased sources to convince people of facts. A fact isn't a fact until it has been confirmed numerous times. Saying I should believe in the Eucharist, and when I ask why give me information from a book written about it by unqualified people who believe in it is circular reasoning.

Exactly.

Yeah, I am totally a Christian, and I personally don't believe in communion that way, however, I am not imposing anything on your beliefs.

But yeah, just as he said, there is no proof that you gave of scientific evidence. There might be other totally probable sources.

envisageworks wrote:Exactly.

Yeah, I am totally a Christian, and I personally don't believe in communion that way, however, I am not imposing anything on your beliefs.

But yeah, just as he said, there is no proof that you gave of scientific evidence. There might be other totally probable sources.

Still a she, Connor. At least last time I checked.

okay so i get what youre saying about flying purple people eaters. that makes sense. but its also true what alison said. that catholics are the only ones who would write about the eucharist like that so its the only source available.
but i truly dont think it matters what you believe and that god isnt black and white like that. for me, i am totally catholic and love my faith.
i believe the eucharist is jesus because he said so in the bible. jesus said "this is my body" not "this is just a symbol of my body" or "this represents me" he said "this IS my body". so that is why catholics believe that.
but anyway i think god isnt going to not let you into heaven according to what exact religion you are...

So.... it's like a Jesus camp kind of stuff.

Kids, and adults crying, yelling, because there is so much mass hysteria.

I could become overwhelmed with pity, and happiness with hundreds of others, that worship a rock.

Just like when someone else screams and scares themselves, I get scared and scream. People take common human predicaments, and make them seem like they're holy.

I personally think religion is bogus, and many people do for obvious reasons religion can not prove anything other than symbolism rocks. But mankind is responsible for deciding this.

Reason why there is contextual people, who believe science ties into religion, like myself.

And literalistic people who believe that the earth really was made in 7 days and is 6000 years old.

Or a combination of the two.

So all 3 groups including atheists Lovely people, can not explain anything at all, almost all 4 groups are vague in their explanations of existence, religion or god.

But what science does do with religion is help us understand symbolic words as what they really are, so we can understand God.

People ask why so much crap, and bad things happen in the world.

Haven't any of you heard of free will? We cause our own problems.

I believe in God, but these gatherings of religious people that faint and pass out....

Is pure baloney in my eyes. Mass hysteria, and mass excitement.

vswimsfly wrote:okay so i get what youre saying about flying purple people eaters. that makes sense. but its also true what alison said. that catholics are the only ones who would write about the eucharist like that so its the only source available.
but i truly dont think it matters what you believe and that god isnt black and white like that. for me, i am totally catholic and love my faith.
i believe the eucharist is jesus because he said so in the bible. jesus said "this is my body" not "this is just a symbol of my body" or "this represents me" he said "this IS my body". so that is why catholics believe that.
but anyway i think god isnt going to not let you into heaven according to what exact religion you are...

So you don't get it, because you just quoted the bible when I used the word "bible" in my example.

If there aren't more sources, isn't that a bit of a hint that, I don't know...it's made up.

Haha. Yeah.

You are right, it doesn't matter.

However, some quick questions.

Do you believe that you need a priest to clear your sins? Or that Jesus can do it without anyone.

Do you believe you can talk to God?

Is Marry the queen in heaven?

Do you pray to saints?

So yeah, I have been wondering these things for a while. Nothing personal, just your belief, which I totally respect. I am just wondering.

-Connor Bob