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Pirate92 wrote:But Theorys can be false therefor rendering it no longer logical. So the theory was false befor it was proven false. Therefor it is not science. This is what mainly confuses me, (probubly should have said this in last post). Sorry if I'm wrong, but what I know just seems to conflict with what other people say. This is becoming very good for me to know though. Knowladge might not be power but it sure helps! lol.

First, I'd like to know what scientific evidence you have for evolution being proved false.

VIP: But it wasn't science because the best conclusion was not the only conclusion, it was just one of the first conclusion found. In the end the conclusion that the earth was NOT the center was determined the winner. Therefor Galileo's theory is not science because it is not logical and was proven wrong. Fact is, Not even the sun is the center, because even we are FAR form the middle of the milkeyway. So in the end theorys are not science, when proven wrong. What I am saying is theorys are unknown subjects, not science. Science may be envolved, but the theory is not science unless proven, making it no longer a theory, but fact of science. I am not trying to be agenst you guys, but being dislexic just gives me a point of view that widens my ability to comprehend some things, causing me to not want to bileve what just sounds suspicius.

Rackfocus: I was not poing out evolution specificaly. But I do have to say the thaught of coming from a Cambles can is just to hard to bileve.

Are rocks alive anyway? Or are the cells building them up, just as hard as dead the rocks are? *Same question for water.

Umm first of all, you're not making any sense at all. Second, being dyslexic does not appear to be giving you any special understanding because Galileo was right and to this day is considered to be right. Actually dyslexia does not give you any special abilities of comprehension. (Unless you are also autistic)

Your point about rocks and water is invalid.

Your definition of science is a little sketchy. Galileo's theory was logical. It was based on scientific evidence and mathematic equations and was backed by experimental data. (Ok, technically it was Copernicus that made the theory but he had the sense not to peruse it to his death.)

Next off, there are holes all over your logic. You're working your thing about theories backward and forward to exhaustion without actually making any sense at all. The theory is not science until proven? You can't prove anything with science so what's the point? Theory is as far as you can get in science (well I guess there is law too but that's just a theory that has been worked for a few hundred years) A theory is a multitude of statements that may be revised as new data is found unless it is proven radically false. You can use good logic with bad data and get bad conclusions. That does not mean you have bad logic, it means you have bad data. The people before Galileo did not have the data or the proper equations to come up with the right answer so they used the data they had and the logic they had to determine an answer. That data was wrong, the logic was right, the answer was wrong.

Also, please use a spell check or something. I know you are dyslexic but your writing is really hard to follow and I can't tell what you mean sometimes. Use periods, it's easy!

Could you just state your point without being so ambiguous please? You seem to be very skeptical of science, or maybe Galileo. Or maybe I'm missing your point.

Finally, what were we talking about in the first place?

Well, I'm not use to talking about all this science stuff, so please try to understand. And bileve it or not, Dislexia does give me the thaught of picture, and with it I am better understanding to how things appear that some people just don't get. Also, having dislexia, I always have had a point of view, few people are capable of seeing through, so to me when I reread my last post, it makes so much sence to me, I would just want to yell out YOU ARE WRONG! But I am still waiting for how Galilio was right, the earth is not the center so he is wrong, making his theory wrong and illogical. This is what now confuses me. PS. I can't find any spell check thingy-mu-bobs...

Umm, Galileo said the earth was not the center of the universe, in case that was what is in question.

Oh... Um... Then I have been debating agenst you when realy I was debating for you... Kinda... Well... Ok it was a total mix up, my fault. Sorry for the arguement. But I learned something today!

Ok, but about theorys. If someone comes up with a theory is it realy considdered science? What about if it is proven wrong? Or the outcome does not repeat on each test? That makes the theory NOT science. So I'm guessing a theory is considdere science even if it might be wrong?

Pirate92 wrote:Well, I'm not use to talking about all this science stuff, so please try to understand. And bileve it or not, Dislexia does give me the thaught of picture, and with it I am better understanding to how things appear that some people just don't get. Also, having dislexia, I always have had a point of view, few people are capable of seeing through, so to me when I reread my last post, it makes so much sence to me, I would just want to yell out YOU ARE WRONG! But I am still waiting for how Galilio was right, the earth is not the center so he is wrong, making his theory wrong and illogical. This is what now confuses me. PS. I can't find any spell check thingy-mu-bobs...

...I'm confused...He said the Earth is not the center of the universe. It's known as heliocentrism.

I'm not really sure what your points are supposed to be, Pirate. I know you have a good argument in you, you just have to put it across so that we can understand you. So next time you post, think before you hit submit. Re-read it and make sure we can understand it as well.

Also, to spell check, all you have to do it is either paste your post here http://orangoo.com/spell/, or if you have the awesomeness that is Firefox, right click any work that has a dotted red line underneath it. It will give you a list of possible correct spellings.

Pirate92 wrote:Ok, but about theorys. If someone comes up with a theory is it realy considdered science? What about if it is proven wrong? Or the outcome does not repeat on each test? That makes the theory NOT science. So I'm guessing a theory is considdere science even if it might be wrong?

You are confusing a theory with a hypothesis. A hypothesis is an educated guess, okay? So my hypothesis is that the sky is blue. How did I form that hypothesis? I observed that the sky looks blue, and some basic science knowledge tells that maybe it's blue because blue rays scatter easier. The theory that the sky is blue is backed by substantiated mathematical facts and testable models.

We're off the Galilio thing I misunderstood VIP. And I never use the word Hypothesis that mutch, so I thaught a theory is an educated guess and didn't considder hypothesis, so, ok, I get it now.

PS. See what I mean by dislexia giving me a the picture thaught. I was trying to read your post, and picture all this in my head, so I missed the NOT the center of the univerce.

Pirate92 wrote:We're off the Galilio thing I misunderstood VIP. And I never use the word Hypothesis that mutch, so I thaught a theory is an educated guess and didn't considder hypothesis, so, ok, I get it now.

PS. See what I mean by dislexia giving me a the picture thaught. I was trying to read your post, and picture all this in my head, so I missed the NOT the center of the univerce.

It's cool, man. This is all crap that is going to be beaten into your head in school. Just wait until physics. I had honors physics, and nothing makes you feel more insignificant and dumb than honors physics. I got a B, though.
But then I had to go to regular physics the next semester because of scheduling and got a C. He was a good teacher, he just was never able to teach because the class was too loud and never let him.

I see, Same way in our debate class. I think this topic is going outa wack! Subjects flying left and right! My dislexia confusing everyong INCLUDING ME! What will become of this topic?!?! *All drematic'n'stuff.

Pirate92 wrote:I see, Same way in our debate class. I think this topic is going outa wack! Subjects flying left and right! My dislexia confusing everyong INCLUDING ME! What will become of this topic?!?! *All drematic'n'stuff.

Debate threads rarely stay on topic. Someone will say something that will launch everyone else on a complete tangent.

Well, I was mostly talking about how people interupt during class, not the debates themselves. (SOME ONE IN ONE OF OUR PRACTICE DEBATES TRYED TO MENCION GLOBAL WARMING!). Everyone on our team hates him now...