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I'm doing this topic to see what you all thought of Heath Ledger.

I myself do feel sad at the loss of an Aussie, he had a howl life ahead of him and he had a family and he was only 28 years old


His movie career was great, he had lost of really good movies in his time such as the patriot with another great Aussie actor (Mel Gibson) and A knights Tail

R.I.P Heath Ledger you will be missed but i am sure you are in a better place now

Joel McHale said it best:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zVQYowoMvqc

Well i think that guy is a ****

I think he was great in "A Knight's Tale" but the fact that he was in "Brokeback Mountain" greatly decreases my respect for him. Whether he was really gay or not, I just can't support that.

But that's just me. No offense intended to anyone who DOES support such things. But I don't support homosexuality.

AnointedMinstrel wrote:I think he was great in "A Knight's Tale" but the fact that he was in "Brokeback Mountain" greatly decreases my respect for him. Whether he was really gay or not, I just can't support that.

But that's just me. No offense intended to anyone who DOES support such things. But I don't support homosexuality.

Why does he lose your respect? Saying someone loses your respect because they are gay (or portrays a gay person) is the logical equivalent of saying someone with red hair loses your respect because he has red hair, or an actor portraying a person with red hair.

Think of an actor. Any actor. I bet he/she has done something that someone will deem morally wrong. That doesn't mean they are a bad person, or are unworthy of your respect. On the contrary, they deserve more respect for having the courage to portray a taboo character.

Someguylovesguns786 wrote:Well i think that guy is a ****

Who? Joel McHale?

Not necessarily. My point is that I don't think homosexuality is right, and I don't think it's right to be gay OR pretend to be someone who is gay. A lot of people use the excuse that it's just acting, but it's your body, you mouth, it's YOU doing the things that your "character" is doing. Doesn't matter if it's not supposed to be you, it's still YOU. In the same way, I don't think it's right to cuss or have sex before marriage. When people do such things in movies that causes me to lose my respect for that acter/actress as well as if they play a gay person.

I don't think it's right to do something in a movie that's against your morals because "it's not really you," because it is you!

And whether it's against their morals or not, I don't think it's right. I don't believe people are born gay, I think that's a decision they make on their own or perhaps they were persuaded to make due to an abusive past. Either way, no one is born gay. You may disagree, but that's what I believe.

Some Gays say that its not their choice they are gay. It is. Some say there is a "gay gene" there has not and there is no gene. I do respect Heath Ledger a little, but, like Hannah said, it severly reduces my respect for him.

I never finnished knight's tale, wasn't he that guy that keped getting creamed to proove his love to the girl?

Italianstallion56 wrote:Some Gays say that its not their choice they are gay. It is. Some say there is a "gay gene" there has not and there is no gene. I do respect Heath Ledger a little, but, like Hannah said, it severly reduces my respect for him.

I don't think there is a gay gene either. Perhaps a series of genes working together.

There have been countless scientific studies showing that homosexual people react to pheromones of the same sex just like heterosexual people react to pheromones of the opposite sex. You can't choose that, or control that. That is your body's chemistry.

Are there some homosexual people that act gay because they believe it to be the cool thing, or because they have problems? Yes. Just like there are heterosexual people who delve into sexual practices because their partner likes it, or it is a group activity.

I don't think it's right to do something in a movie that's against your morals because "it's not really you," because it is you!

No, it isn't. It is a character you are playing. If we went by religious standards, and people only played religiously acceptable characters, every single movie would be the same. Nothing bad would ever happen, because there would still have to be people to play the "bad people".

This goes back to my question in the religion thread about the bible. People say that God is against gays because that is what the bible says. But the bible is written by man in a time where homosexuality was frowned upon by society. So of course it will tell a man not to lie with a man. All of the bible's messages are reflective of the times and society it was written in. If you took the bible literally, your life would be very different.

There are certain societal and personal aspects that should affect your degree of respect for a person. Love for another human being should never lose your respect.

This one Christian comedian named Brad Stein was once talking about gays and how stupid it is. He talked about how people said it was just guys who "found their feminine side" his response was "I found my feminine side, and I married her!"

Anyway about the acting-not-really-you thing, you may be pretending to be a different person, but that doesn't mean the words aren't coming from YOUR mouth and the actions aren't coming from YOU. NOw don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's bad to play the bad guy in a movie or anything. It's fine to play a character that isn't like you. But playing a character that does morally wrong things such as biosexuality or even cussing is just unacceptable to me. It isn't just "acting", it's still you doing it even though you're pretending to play someone else.

And about you saying the bible is dated, just because the world says something is okay doesn't mean it is! GOD is the one in control, not man. And GOD'S Word says that these things are wrong. His word applied back then, and it applies to life now as well. God created the bible for people back tehn, AND now! It is unchanging, always the same yesterday today and forever just like God is. He promised that in the bible.

I would say more but I'm gonna be late for work if I talk much longer!

Off topic: I wish I had a job... I wanna work at a theatre after I'm 18. But for now what do you think would be a good job these days?

On topic: I act gay all the time just playing arround lol, but it never lasts more then a few hours when we're aving a party or something. So I can see what you mean by it is ok to act sometimes.

AnointedMinstrel wrote:
Anyway about the acting-not-really-you thing, you may be pretending to be a different person, but that doesn't mean the words aren't coming from YOUR mouth and the actions aren't coming from YOU. NOw don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's bad to play the bad guy in a movie or anything. It's fine to play a character that isn't like you. But playing a character that does morally wrong things such as biosexuality or even cussing is just unacceptable to me. It isn't just "acting", it's still you doing it even though you're pretending to play someone else.

But it's only morally wrong for you (and others with the same moral compass). It's absolute absurdity to think someone is a bad person, or that they don't deserve respect because of their sexual preferences (consenting human beings). Who anyone chooses to love is nobody's business. What makes you so right, and them so wrong?

And about you saying the bible is dated, just because the world says something is okay doesn't mean it is! GOD is the one in control, not man. And GOD'S Word says that these things are wrong. His word applied back then, and it applies to life now as well. God created the bible for people back tehn, AND now! It is unchanging, always the same yesterday today and forever just like God is. He promised that in the bible.

Again, the Bible was written by man. It would be naive to think that societal norms in their times didn't have any influence on how they wrote the bible. Otherwise, the bible would have just been created like the Ten Commandment tablets were made, would it not? Why would God leave such an important text up to man? It goes against logic.
It is not unchanging by any means. It has been very changed. Hence the different versions of the bible, the different religions, and the complementary books to the bible, such as the Mormon bible.

Well I think you need to learn to distinguish between bad things and bad people. A bad person = a person who has done bad things

We have all done bad things therefor we are all bad people, the questions is whether or not being gay is bad.

You can disagree with a persons life style without hating or alienating the person them self. I have friends who are gay and they know I don't agree that that is a morally correct life style, does that mean I can't be associated with them or that they are of less worth than me? No.

What is love? Well I love a lot of men, sorry, it's true. Yes you need to respect love between humans but that doesn't mean that all love is romance. Love and romance are two different things, although many people confuse them with each other. King David wrote letters expressing his love for Jonathan but he was not gay, he just loved him. I love my brothers and my friends and my crew but that doesn't mean I'm going to commit indecent acts with them. I love my sisters and the girls around me but that doesn't mean I'm romantically involved with them.

The gay gene. Hmm, genetic sexual orientation, nobody knows. There is a small chance that gayness is genetic but that chance is very small. We are not even close to mapping the genetic structure of DNA but the possibility that homosexuality is genetic is very small. If it were genetic these people would die out incredibly fast due to the fact that they can't have children and considering the social barriers of the last few centuries it seems even more unlikely. Many people have started attributing it to psychology, chemical imbalances, past experiences and some people do chose to be gay. Some people say that it's caused by a deficiency of masculine love in childhood, an experience more and more young men are getting today. Some people think it's the increasing drive to be masculine that's driving men who are more in touch with their feminine side from the teasing of "girlymen" to the safe haven of "homosexual." And yes, some people think it's genetic although it it were the would most likely be an increased level of female hormones and pheromones but hey, maybe not. I think that it should be studied more rather than mindlessly accepted as normal, after all, this is the day and age where nerdiness, shyness and hyperactivity are considered to be "diseases" or "mental imbalances," why not homosexuality?

Ok. If you'all are determining if gay is right or wrong, who sets those boundaries? I do not believe that being gay is right. It is merely sexual. There is absolutely no evidence pointing to there being any physical trait that determines if you are gay or not. However, I do believe that we need to treat all people like we would like to be treated. No, you do not need to respect everyone. If I have a personal opinion about something, I have the right to keep it. If I don't like gays, whites, or even blacks, that is OK. It becomes a problem when actions are taken upon that belief. Gays deserve the respect of people who would respect them. I do not respect gays, which is OK. Most of the posts here are completely legit.

envisageworks wrote:Ok. If you'all are determining if gay is right or wrong, who sets those boundaries?

Precisely. Who is anyone to say what anyone does in the privacy of their own homes is wrong, barring acts that infringe upon an unwilling participant's rights.

I love my brothers and my friends and my crew but that doesn't mean I'm going to commit indecent acts with them.

But what is your definition of indecent? That is the whole point. Your definition of indecent could mean that you would never participate in sexual acts with them. Another person's definition of indecent could be that they could never show their elbows to their friends. So who is anyone to define someone else's actions unworthy of respect; the very basic respect as a human being?
I have bi-sexual friends. Do I love them or respect them any less than my heterosexual friends? No. They are the same people they would be if they were straight. I respect them for their actions, and they way they treat people. What they do in their bedrooms is none of my business.

I also have several friends who smoke pot and get drunk. I do not. I think it is weak. But I don't love my friends any less for smoking it. It only affects them. If they were drinking and driving, that would lose my respect because they are putting others at risk.

It is that "my views must be right and all others wrong" mindset that causes moral and religious wars. It's ignorance and intolerance that creates situations such as 9/11 and acts of genocide.

envisageworks wrote: It is merely sexual.

If that was the case, then explain the phenomenon of homosexual couples who refrain from sex until after marriage. If that was the case, then homosexual couples would be engaging in sexual activities 24/7 and would have no need to be together in any non-sexual manner.

VIP wrote:If it were genetic these people would die out incredibly fast due to the fact that they can't have children and considering the social barriers of the last few centuries it seems even more unlikely.

That is a logical fallacy. There are plenty of genetic mutations that render people sterile, yet that mutation still exists.



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