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VIP wrote:Society and law are very relative and subject to change. I'd prefer something a little more concrete please.

It doesn't exist. Though the Bible is concrete, its interpretation is up to the members of society. Therefore, it is relative.

Society and law are very relative and subject to change. I'd prefer something a little more concrete please.

Yeah, I do remember something like this coming up before, so I'll throw it in play here, since its meaning has value at this point:

Rackfocus wrote:
You gotta have faith is a pretty deep statement, but also a pretty shallow one because you can't argue with that, right?

Likewise, society and law is deep - can't argue with that!

So a hundred years ago when there were laws against homosexuality and it was socially unacceptable, was it wrong?

VIP wrote:So a hundred years ago when there were laws against homosexuality and it was socially unacceptable, was it wrong?

According to society, yes. The concept of right and wrong are based on societal norms. That's why it's okay for women to wear short sleeved shirts. 100 years ago, it wasn't. I live in Louisiana, and I'd probably die without short sleeved shirts, so it's a good thing society fluctuates.

So are you a moral relativist?

So if one day society accepts marrying animals would it then be right?

While we're on the subject, what do you think of polygamy? Some people put it in the same boat as homosexuality. It's a lot easier to correlate because it is a human human relationship.

Moral relativism is inevitable. Right now, in this society, there are certain morals that all of society abides by. It will be different in 100 years. Maybe more conservative, maybe more liberal. It depends on the decisions of the next generations.

I don't think there is anything wrong with polygamy other than the fact that it usually takes place within oppressive relationships. If three people do well in a relationship together, so be it. But in most societies that have polygamy, one party (usually female) is oppressed and future generations grow up within an oppressive environment. It's really not feasible to have multiple relationships that are able to do well without having some sort of oppression, so even though there isn't anything wrong with letting people do what they want, it's highly unlikely to work except in a few cases.

You can't ask "Someday...would it be right?" because we are making that decision in a society where what you are asking is not right. By the time we get to someday, society has changed. Today is someday for people 100 years ago, and I am sure there are things in our society that they wouldn't approve that we have no problem with.

I've argued about this very subject a good many times, and I always side with it being genetic. I understand the "they've been exposed to it early on in life" thing, but even if they have that doesn't changed the fact that they are attracted to the opposite sex. Only if they were raised by a gay couple, in which case they may be taught to be gay or whatever. Also, the personal choice thing. You can't just decide to be gay, what could possibly make you go against your attraction to women? Or men, in the case of women? Attraction comes naturally to straight people, so why not gay people?

That IS what this discussion is about... right? I dun wanna be talking about some random thing.

I think it is... and same sex marriage should definitely be legal, whether it's genetic or psychological, everyone deserves the same rights.

I know people who chose to be gay. A huge part of being gay is the choice. I don't know if that's all there is but I know it's a big part of it. I know someone who went from strait to gay and then back to strait. And not because of any religious or moral reason. He just did it. I know people that by all logical reasons should be considered gay but they hold no attraction for men. I wear capris, love dancing and know more about makeup than most girls. My cousin wears miss sixties jeans and has a collection of his forty favorite hairdos on his facebook profile in a neatly ordered album. We're not gay, we're just overly feminine, (I prefer to use the term, artistically inclined) Most of the people who I know who are actually gay (as in like, sexually actively gay) decided to be that way more often than not because of too many bad experiences with the opposite sex. So yeah, you can chose to be gay and I don't think it's genetic. Although I did here a very interesting theory about it being involved with the chromosome bath between the brain halves while the baby is not yet born. I didn't hear that from a reputed scientist though. I heard it from my dance teacher so take it with a grain of salt.