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Homosexual

Postby envisageworks on Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:09 am

I am very happy with the post frequency of the Forum. As I try to think of new debates to cover, I skipped a very common fight in scociety.

Moral debates always boom into dozens of replies. We already covered something about this in another section, but I feel that we need to make this more contrasted.

I have done a lot of research on homosexuality, and have found NO scientific evidence of homosexuality being genetic. Any thoughts? :D
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Postby vswimsfly on Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:24 pm

i dont think homosexuality is genetic...however if for some reason a baby is born person grows up and believes that that is just how he is and how he was born that doesnt mean he has to change his lifestyle because of his "needs". like i guess that even if you believe that you are born gay or whatever that doesnt mean you should become that and give into that.
connor do you think homosexual marriages should be legal?
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Postby rackfocus on Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:21 pm

I don't think homosexuality is genetic, but I think that physiological occurrences are possible. People have been gay during times when homosexuality was accepted, when it wasn't, etc... If homosexuality was purely cultural, it would not have existed during periods of cultural repercussions.

Same sex should absolutely be legal. It is not up to the government to decide who, at a consenting age, can love who and they should be able to have the same legal benefits of marriage.

Connor, this should be in political or in other, not in God. If it stays here, this will happen:

"The bible says homosexuality is wrong."
"Not everyone believes in the bible, therefore it cannot be accepted as the rule of the land."
"Well, God thinks homosexuals are wrong. God made Adam and Eve...not Adam and Steve..."

Continuum ad nauseum.
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Postby samuelrj on Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:01 am

Assuming that god does exist and the bible is the word of him or her, then how do religious folk justify hating gays for one passage that they take absolutely literally, though they don't take most of the bible literally, like the part about stoning disobedient children.
But I don't want to start a whole religious debate, here.

I think gay marriage is fine. I mean if somebody loves somebody else, then who cares, let them love. Who is the government, or anybody else, to tell us who we can and can't love. I thought this was the free world.

and woot for gay marriage in california!
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Postby Neighborhood Studios on Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:41 pm

TOPIC MOVED:

I think Rackfocus has a good point that this particular topic will flourish more in debate/opinion. It's more of a personal belief topic than religious - but by all means apply your religion towards your argument!
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Postby Neighborhood Studios on Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:54 pm

then how do religious folk justify hating gays for one passage that they take absolutely literally, though they don't take most of the bible literally


Every religion and way of life has its extremes. I don't think that you'll find that what you said is true in this day and age, but I could be wrong. Lots of people are ignorant. But basically now the religious idea is hate the action, not the person. What they do is wrong, but we can't judge the person based on what they did - its up to God.

But I believe that it's intrinsically wrong. It's not how the human body was made to be used - that's obvious that man and women were made to work together perfectly.

Marriage in the church for same sex will never happen because it is wrong. However, I am neutral on the idea of the marriage taking place by a justice of the peace - a courthouse marriage. If two people will be living together, that's their right. And it's also their right to have a marriage contract to determine how belongings, money, etc will be taken care of if they divorce, for their own legal protection.
Who is the government, or anybody else, to tell us who we can and can't love. I thought this was the free world.


So you're cool if your sister wants to marry a bridge or a wall? I've actually seen on another forum that someone married the Berlin Wall. My point is: man and women marriage has been the way of life for thousands of years, and its worked! How far should you go with freedoms, and who has the right to determine that?
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Postby samuelrj on Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:17 pm

So you're cool if your sister wants to marry a bridge or a wall? I've actually seen on another forum that someone married the Berlin Wall. My point is: man and women marriage has been the way of life for thousands of years, and its worked! How far should you go with freedoms, and who has the right to determine that?

I was going to mention that argument, but I thought it would be random and pointless seeing as nobody would be so empty-minded as to address this but apparently I underestimated your intelligence. First off, marriage, to some people is all about god and shit like that, but to everybody, marriage is about spending a lifetime with someone and sharing money, property, stuff like that. Obviously if a guy marries a dog, the dog won't know what the hell is going on. A dog won't be able to make decisions on money or financials. Another man, however, is capable of doing that.

This argument is so absurd. It's like asking what somebody wants to eat and for dinner somebody says ice cream. Ice cream is, in some peoples eyes, immoral seeing as it's not a dinner. Most people would say chicken or rice or potatoes. Now according to this argument, if we allow this person to have ice cream for dinner, eventually lots more will want ice cream. Then they will evolve to want to eat something like a toy truck or a tree. That kind of thing won't happen. I do admit that some people will want to marry their pets but it won't functionally work, just like eating a toy truck won't give you the nutrition that you need.

I hope I made my point and I hope I didn't mean to offend you at the beginning. I was a little pissed and irritated and I'm sorry.

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Postby samuelrj on Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:18 pm

sorry its all in quotes
I havnt used the quotes before

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Postby envisageworks on Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:12 pm

Hmm... I didn't really get the post. Homosexuality is a perversion of normal sexuality. And every bit of it I have seen is merely sexual. It opens up doors to even more perverted things. So far, every time our nation steps out of the ordinary, it ends up being bad. It takes away from what a man is suppose to be, and the beauty of a woman. It is obvious (no argument here), that man and woman are different. I think that the whole spirit of it is sickly, and degrades from true potential.
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Postby samuelrj on Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:29 pm

I think that the whole spirit of it is sickly, and degrades from true potential.


Oh Connor, you were so cool.

Other than the whole religious differences you were so awesome.

Degrades from true potential by taking away somebody's rights to love who they want to love. How is it adding potential when you deny love to those who do not agree with you?
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Postby VIP on Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:05 pm

SEX is different than LOVE. Most of my homo or bi friends don't really love each other and are indeed very perverse. Maybe they should have the right to do it but that doesn't make it right. Being in America means we have the right to do wrong things but that doesn't mean I have to approve of it.
Those who believe it can't be done should not hinder the person doing it.
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Postby samuelrj on Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:08 pm

Just because all of the people who like members of the same sex are only into sex and things of that nature doesn't make the entire population of homosexuals disgusting or despicable.

But why not? I mean why can't people have sex with people of the same sex?? Why do you disapprove?
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Postby vswimsfly on Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:09 pm

exactly. agree with VIP there.
but one thing to think about is...when is it too much freedom?
i mean isnt it also the governments job to protect us from a out of control perverted freedoms..?
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Postby samuelrj on Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:11 pm

Our nation is the free world. How are we considered free when we deny marriage between two lovers?
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Postby VIP on Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:16 pm

The government has no right to regulate marriage. Marriage is a religious institution and should be regulated by the church.
Those who believe it can't be done should not hinder the person doing it.
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