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I know that a paper I read online has 7 different plots that every single movie has followed. Everything made today is a different take on some story already created.

^ At any rate, going back to rackfocus' remark up top. Ouch. It does have validity, but I don't have a disposable income to spend $9 to see movies every day or week, nor do I have the time to go to the library to pull out movies. Yet, I follow plenty of TV shows, and see my share of films (I love Fox's Friday Movies in HD!).

And even if I did never see a movie, I don't think your chef comment would apply to me. Look at my work and tell me I stink I don't. The fact that I'm not an avid movie-goer doesn't hurt my artistic endeavors. I've reached the point where I don't need to view lots and lots of films to get inspiration for my own. I can come up with my own solutions to my projects now! And the original comment that I don't watch movies alot was in response to the fact that I don't bother to follow Hollywood celebrities, so I didn't know the actors you named.

But anyway! Valkryie: great movie.

Dude, she wasn't dissing you. She was just saying.

Well that's the thing with new ideas. Once you believe that everything has been done already you have no chance at progress. If we continued to believe we were in a golden age of science in the late 19th century we never would have developed quantum physics. Along came Einstein and showed us there was more we didn't know. Back in the 60's and 70's the same thing happened in film. Along came the Auteur and showed us there was more. When you believe everything worth doing has already been done you have no reason to live and you should just put your head in a hole and die. A movie is like a diamond. No two diamonds are alike but they are all made of carbon. Carbon has existed since the beginning of the earth. It's not new. But you can rearrange it to make infinite combinations. Some will be beautiful. Some will not. Film works the same way. Most "stories" are based on processes people go through in real life. Coming of age, falling in love... You could make a movie that didn't follow the rubric but it would feel empty and devoid and unfulfilled. When people hear a story they want a beginning, a middle, and an end. So sometimes being creative doesn't work because people get so confused.

Neighborhood Studios wrote:I know that a paper I read online has 7 different plots that every single movie has followed. Everything made today is a different take on some story already created.

^ At any rate, going back to rackfocus' remark up top. Ouch. It does have validity, but I don't have a disposable income to spend $9 to see movies every day or week, nor do I have the time to go to the library to pull out movies. Yet, I follow plenty of TV shows, and see my share of films (I love Fox's Friday Movies in HD!).

And even if I did never see a movie, I don't think your chef comment would apply to me. Look at my work and tell me I stink I don't. The fact that I'm not an avid movie-goer doesn't hurt my artistic endeavors. I've reached the point where I don't need to view lots and lots of films to get inspiration for my own. I can come up with my own solutions to my projects now! And the original comment that I don't watch movies alot was in response to the fact that I don't bother to follow Hollywood celebrities, so I didn't know the actors you named.

Not the theatre necessarily. 9$ a month will get you a netflix account where you get 1 movie a time, unlimited rentals, and unlimited streaming of movies. That's what I do.

I am by no means saying that your movies stink/will stink. What I was saying is you can't really have a vocation and not learn about that vocation to expand your horizons. For filmmakers, our "studying" is watching films, which is the best form of studying ever.

"I never went to film school; I went to films. "--Tarantino

***I reference Tarantino a lot probably because of his success...not because I like him. I respect him as a director, but as a person...I'd definitely never want to work with him...

Rackfocus wrote:Find me a script idea that has been successful and is 90-100% original, and I will concede.

Um... Touchy much... I didn't say "Your completely wrong and there are a LOT of original ideas" I just suggested that you could be a little off and that original idea do exist even in the few.

Here's some few things anyway:
1. Superman, no one ever though of laser eyes, or kryptonite before this.

2. Cars, the most obvious form of transportation.

And the best one!
3. Creation itself. The Almighty had all the original ideas for everything he Created.

I took the comment as a friendly jab, probably responded a bit too strongly, but films are a passionate point for me Just wanted to clear up the fact that although I don't get out and see movies in theatres alot doesn't mean that I don't see visual work, films, and shows ever.

The underlying plot of all films will always come back to something done before, although new elements can always be introduced. True, Superman's kryptonite and lasers were brand new, but the plot of an action hero saving the world were old and done before.

Comma Hercules comma Odysseus.

Pirate92 wrote:

Rackfocus wrote:Find me a script idea that has been successful and is 90-100% original, and I will concede.

Um... Touchy much... I didn't say "Your completely wrong and there are a LOT of original ideas" I just suggested that you could be a little off and that original idea do exist even in the few.

Here's some few things anyway:
1. Superman, no one ever though of laser eyes, or kryptonite before this.

2. Cars, the most obvious form of transportation.

And the best one!
3. Creation itself. The Almighty had all the original ideas for everything he Created.

Pirate, you've hopefully known me long enough to know that I don't get touchy, especially with online discussions. Same with Ryan. You guys all know that I can be blunt, but it's friendly and inquisitive, not malicious.

I'm talking about movies (scripts, etc...), not necessarily invention.

Rackfocus wrote:Pirate, you've hopefully known me long enough to know that I don't get touchy, especially with online discussions. Same with Ryan. You guys all know that I can be blunt, but it's friendly and inquisitive, not malicious.

Sorry, it just sounded like it at the time.

One other thing, I never argue with anyone, because I'm always surrounded by small children in my house, and when I'm with my friends, an argument rarely arises, so when I get in to discussions like this,
I find it useful to learn more, and strengthen my debate abilities. So I don't want any of you to take it the wrong way either.

(However I do sometimes get carried away and use "!", so ignore it, I'm just getting into the argument is all)

Rackfocus wrote:I'm talking about movies (scripts, etc...), not necessarily invention.

Still, most MARVEL movies and books, Alice in wonderland (Ok, that guy was on drugs, so you don't have to count that if you don't want to), Peter Pan and Capt. Hook, Monty Python (Lol! You don't have to inc;ude this one either I just love it to much), and who could ever not list, Star Wars!

I would name more, but my movie collection is not what it use to be since we moved from Hawaii...

Star Wars is very much based on ancient Greek mythology.

Here's what I was looking for to support my argument!

Did you all know that there are in fact only 7 plots, for every single film, book and comic that exists. Every product will fit into one of these 7 categories, or will be a combination of them.

The 7 plots are:-

1) ACHILLES - The flawless (or almost flawless) person, e.g. Superman.

2) CINDERELLA - The dream come true (e.g Dirty Dancing, Prerry Woman.)

3) CIRCE - The chase, e.g The Blues Brothers.

4) FAUST - Selling your soul to the Devil may bring riches, but eventually, you will belong to him, e.g. Wall Street

5) ORPHEUS - The loss of something personal, e.g. Regarding Henry, Farscape (think about John Crichton!)

6) ROMEO & JULIET - The love story, e.g. Sleepless In Seattle.

7) TRISTAN - X loves Y, but one or both are already spoken for, e.g. Fatal Attraction.

What happened here? It took me a while to realise we messed up the topic. I might have helped start it so I'm ending the arguement. I'll admit original story lines are extremely rare! But you MUST admit that even with their rareness, original story lines DO exist, even if unknown to us, otherwise, if there were not original story lines there would be nothing to build off of, therefore nothing today.

If you want to continue this discussion then you should move it to another section of the forum, but if not, just reply to the original post.