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I think you are not reading my message in context Rackfocus.

Rackfocus wrote:There is only one God according to you. What makes you right? A book? Before Christianity, there were countless other religions. Since the dawn of man, there has been countless religions.

Kind of dumb, and this is why:

If you belive the Bible as a history book you would realise that it started out with Adam, and God, no other religons befor. Try Genesis...

vswimsfly wrote:okay thats a dumb question.
yeh you would give him a book on how to survive or whatever. but that doesnt mean that he shouldnt have the bible

That isn't what I asked. You have a choice. He can only have one book.

i mean there are millions of spoiled rotten rich kids in the usa that have everything they need to survive and more BUT they dont have a religion or standards or values. and part of their life is empty.
lemme tell you that i come from a very fortunate family and when i stray away from god like stop praying or whatever i can feel my life changing.

I agree. I can feel the difference in my life when I live righteously and unrighteously.

its better to live your life good and healthy and then die and find out there isnt a god, than to not believe and sin and then die and find out there is a god.
i completely and truly with my whole heart believe there is a god BUT for those of you who refuse to...i think this is a good thing to think about...

I would rather believe in God out of love and understanding than fear.

envisageworks wrote:I think you are not reading my message in context Rackfocus.

Which message is that?

Pirate92 wrote:

Rackfocus wrote:There is only one God according to you. What makes you right? A book? Before Christianity, there were countless other religions. Since the dawn of man, there has been countless religions.

Kind of dumb, and this is why:

If you belive the Bible as a history book you would realise that it started out with Adam, and God, no other religons befor. Try Genesis...

What?

Of course there were no religions before Adam...there were no people...

I'm not sure what you are trying to say there...

I took it that you meant there were religons befor, sorry. But never the less, Christianity was the first "Religon" Belived in.

Pirate92 wrote:I took it that you meant there were religons befor, sorry. But never the less, Christianity was the first "Religon" Belived in.

No. Christianity didn't exist until Christ did. There were plenty of religions before Christ, including Judaism.

You know the Trinity right? The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. all of the Trinity existed for eternity, and Jesus being God, decending to earth, was alive befor He was born on earth.

Pirate92 wrote:You know the Trinity right? The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. all of the Trinity existed for eternity, and Jesus being God, decending to earth, was alive befor He was born on earth.

Irrelevant. Christianity did not exist until after Christ did. Before that, the religion that exalted the Christian God was Judaism.

Ok, now you are sounding completely like Tovok...

Pirate92 wrote:Ok, now you are sounding completely like Tovok...

I never watched much Voyager, so I don't know quite how to take that.

Oi... Nvm I'm tired of debating this...

Irrelevant. Christianity did not exist until after Christ did. Before that, the religion that exalted the Christian God was Judaism.

Same God, thus it is relevant.

Neighborhood Studios wrote:

Irrelevant. Christianity did not exist until after Christ did. Before that, the religion that exalted the Christian God was Judaism.

Same God, thus it is relevant.

No, it isn't. Christianity is defined as a religion that follows the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. If Jesus did not exist, neither did Christianity.

Don't get frustrated, guys. I am more than willing to listen to opinions, logical or not, but don't get frustrated when I counter.

No, it isn't. Christianity is defined as a religion that follows the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. If Jesus did not exist, neither did Christianity.

You've got to understand that coming from our standpoint, that the Trinity is central. Jesus is God, vice versa. The God of Christianity is the same God of Judaism. Therefore, you have to accept that it existed at least as far back as the Jewish faith, because it is the same at the most crucial level.

Neighborhood Studios wrote:

No, it isn't. Christianity is defined as a religion that follows the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. If Jesus did not exist, neither did Christianity.

You've got to understand that coming from our standpoint, that the Trinity is central. Jesus is God, vice versa. The God of Christianity is the same God of Judaism. Therefore, you have to accept that it existed at least as far back as the Jewish faith, because it is the same at the most crucial level.

I understand that, but if Christianity existed before Jesus Christ on earth, then you would be referring to it as Judaism, because that is the most Christian God centric religion that existed before the followers of Jesus Christ.

The Hebrew Bible was constructed before the birth of Christ, which is why he does not exist in the Hebrew Bible.

Maybe I am not being clear enough, but do you understand what I am saying? Christianity did not exist until Christ existed. Before that, it was Judaism.

Christianity came from the Jewish faith. Why else would the Catholic Church include the Old Testament in the Bible...there's no reference to Jesus in it! Because while Jesus is a central figure in the faith, God is the same. Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism.

Lets try to phrase that another way. We believe in the Trinity. Jesus is God. God has always existed. Therefore, Christianity has always existed, although it has not been practiced always.