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Neighborhood Studios wrote:Christianity came from the Jewish faith. Why else would the Catholic Church include the Old Testament in the Bible...there's no reference to Jesus in it! Because while Jesus is a central figure in the faith, God is the same. Christianity is an offshoot of Judaism.

Lets try to phrase that another way. We believe in the Trinity. Jesus is God. God has always existed. Therefore, Christianity has always existed, although it has not been practiced always.

Then it cannot be called Christianity, can it? The very root of the word is "Christ". Before Christianity, it was Judaism. We are not talking about God, we are talking about a term.

If Christ had never been born, you would be Jewish.

Would I, now?

However, I'm no expert on this. If you want to know the reality of it all, I'd suggest a christian apologetics site.

Pirate92 probably was mistaken, or we are erroneous in our interpretation of what he said. If you're seriously falling back on the fact that

"Christianity was the first "Religon" Belived in."

by interpreting that Christianity was the first religion, then that is incorrect.

Next topic?

Neighborhood Studios wrote:Would I, now?

However, I'm no expert on this. If you want to know the reality of it all, I'd suggest a christian apologetics site.

Pirate92 probably was mistaken, or we are erroneous in our interpretation of what he said. If you're seriously falling back on the fact that

"Christianity was the first "Religon" Belived in."

by interpreting that Christianity was the first religion, then that is incorrect.

Next topic?

Okay, fine, your statement:

Therefore, Christianity has always existed, although it has not been practiced always.

Believing in God/a God has always existed. Christianity has not. If you want to believe it has, that is your prerogative, but it is an obvious fallacy.

The next topic doesn't matter. Like most of the religious debates on this board, they end with circular arguments and someone just giving up. Let's just talk about editing.

How is it a fallacy? I gave you our reasoning for it, in that Christianity(referring to Jesus, NOT THE RELIGION) started as Jesus, who is God.

You keep dodging back to the origins of religion, while I'm referring to something deeper.

Neighborhood Studios wrote:How is it a fallacy? I gave you our reasoning for it, in that Christianity(referring to Jesus, NOT THE RELIGION) started as Jesus, who is God.

Before Jesus was born, he did not exist. Right? If he had, Judaism would have referred to him. Correct me if I am wrong. If I am not, acknowledge that and we will move on.

You keep dodging back to the origins of religion, while I'm referring to something deeper.

Of course you are. You gotta have faith is a pretty deep statement, but also a pretty shallow one because you can't argue with that, right?

Before Jesus was born, he did not exist. Right? If he had, Judaism would have referred to him

I feel like I keep repeating myself. Are you not familiar with the core beliefs of Christianity?

Jesus is God. God is the same for Christianity and Judaism. Jesus is God incarnate, and existed before he was born because he is God. Judaism referred to Jesus as God, because Jesus is God.

Jesus and God are the same exact thing. Once you can accept that understanding from our viewpoint, we can move on.

vswimsfly wrote:okay thats a dumb question.
yeh you would give him a book on how to survive or whatever. but that doesnt mean that he shouldnt have the bible
i mean there are millions of spoiled rotten rich kids in the usa that have everything they need to survive and more BUT they dont have a religion or standards or values. and part of their life is empty.
lemme tell you that i come from a very fortunate family and when i stray away from god like stop praying or whatever i can feel my life changing.
and heres another thing to think about
its better to live your life good and healthy and then die and find out there isnt a god, than to not believe and sin and then die and find out there is a god.
i completely and truly with my whole heart believe there is a god BUT for those of you who refuse to...i think this is a good thing to think about...

Very good post. I mean, if you really think about it people will look back on us and wonder how we lived with so little but in reality material possessions sometimes just don't cut it. When asked what book I would give him the Bible would totally be my first answer. Man simply does not live by bread alone.

Rackfocus, what Neighborhood studios is saying is that Jesus always existed and therefore, so did Christianity. We just did not know about him. Only God had revealed himself to us so we worshiped him. The Jews believe in a messiah just as Christians do but jews of old didn't know who he is and modern Jews don't believe that Christ was he. So modern day Jews are Jews who don't believe that Christ was the messiah and modern day Christians are Jews who believe that Christ was the messiah.

I personally don't think that you can call old testament Jews Christians because they didn't know Christ. Christ existed but they didn't know him.

Bravo.

Neighborhood Studios wrote:

Before Jesus was born, he did not exist. Right? If he had, Judaism would have referred to him

I feel like I keep repeating myself. Are you not familiar with the core beliefs of Christianity?

Jesus is God. God is the same for Christianity and Judaism. Jesus is God incarnate, and existed before he was born because he is God. Judaism referred to Jesus as God, because Jesus is God.

Jesus and God are the same exact thing. Once you can accept that understanding from our viewpoint, we can move on.

I understand your viewpoint, and I know the core beliefs of Christianity after being a Christian for 16 years.

The problem is I am talking history, and you are talking abstractly.

So I am going to start a religion, and we will worship Tony the Tiger, who, by the way, we believe to be the son of God. But not just that, we believe him to be God, which means our religion, Tonyianity, predates Christianity and Judaism.

Do you see what I am saying? Just because you declare it to be so does not make it so. If it did, my absurd paragraph would have just as much value as your argument.

Then are you arguing also that Judaism is not a valid religion? And every other religion practiced?

Neighborhood Studios wrote:Then are you arguing also that Judaism is not a valid religion? And every other religion practiced?

I'm arguing that no religion can be pinpointed as the "correct" religion.

I have to go to work, so I will be on later.

Everyone believes that their faith is the right one. Everyone is entitled to believe what they want, so we all believe that what we practice is the correct way to do things. So you can't pinpoint any religion as correct, even though it may be.

Neighborhood Studios wrote:Everyone believes that their faith is the right one. Everyone is entitled to believe what they want, so we all believe that what we practice is the correct way to do things. So you can't pinpoint any religion as correct, even though it may be.

Exactly. Which is why I believe that as long as innocent parties are not affected, people should be allowed to do as they please.

Anyway, that was my point completely, NS.

I agree completely.

awww. what a happy ending... everyones wins

lets all get in a circle and sing kumbayaw.