Russia and Georgia

rackfocus · by **rackfocus** on Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:32 pm

I figured we could discuss a bit about Russia and Georgia since we are going to be hearing about it A LOT right now.

Firstly, some background info on it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_p3hLtr5Ok

Okay, so if you aren't a nerdfighter yet, you should be. They are the most brilliant dudes on youtube. And John does a great job talking about Russia and Georgia as he applies peanut butter to his face.

What do you guys think? Should commonwealths be able to form their own nation independent of the host country without fear of violence? Or do you think that countries have the right to stop succession by force?

vswimsfly · by **vswimsfly** on Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:53 pm

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

this is the first line to our declaration of inderpendence...yes i copy and pasted. BUT my point is that i think that under those circumstances like we did 200sumthing years ago that it is for the best when a country that knows what they want and what goals they can achieve as a country if it seperates.

Alison · by **Alison** on Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:00 pm

bravo my italian mexican friend! :wink:

lol a lot of big words, a little over my head but i get what your saying. however, the country they are trying to secede from equally has the right to fight to keep them. thats what we did in the civil war. the south followed that first line of the independence and tried to secede and the north took their right to fight for them back....or something along those lines

vswimsfly · by **vswimsfly** on Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:03 pm

toche my lil white baby girl! lol hehe
you have a point! sooo whos right then????

Alison · by **Alison** on Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:06 pm

...its a draw? :wink:

vswimsfly · by **vswimsfly** on Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:08 pm

may the better country win!!! :roll:

Alison · by **Alison** on Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:09 pm

oh its on now sista!!!!

Neighborhood Studios · by **Neighborhood Studios** on Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:48 pm

Does Georgia have a legitimate reason to want to secede? I think that if they do (such as high taxes, no representation, loss of rights), then it would be acceptable, but if their reason for leaving is just because they want to, then that isn't enough. It's like if Utah wanted to leave the US for the heck of it - we wouldn't allow it!

vswimsfly · by **vswimsfly** on Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:53 pm

yeah. i dont know all the details about this..so like why does georgia want to secede???

envisageworks · by **envisageworks** on Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:05 pm

Hmm. Interesting comments. I didn't watch the youtube video, but nerdfighters are brilliant. I just think about how ticked off China must be as they broke out in war right during the Olympics. Jeez. Could have waited a week, but no, lets start a battle on the same day of the most united event in the world, that only takes place every four years. Jeez.

Neighborhood Studios · by **Neighborhood Studios** on Sun Aug 17, 2008 6:35 am

Well, they finally signed a ceasefire!

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/ ... 0420080817

Alison · by **Alison** on Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:05 am

yea but Russia isn't backing it up. they won't retreat and they held those 20 Georgian soldiers hostage. idk if they let them go yet...

Neighborhood Studios · by **Neighborhood Studios** on Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:22 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/world ... ?ref=world

They say they'll stay to their agreement to leave tomorrow, but realistically it seems it will take 10 days to retreat.

And then they've confiscated US property and won't return it...

Alison · by **Alison** on Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:09 am

that sucks. whats their excuse for that one?

Neighborhood Studios · by **Neighborhood Studios** on Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:00 pm

In his Moscow briefing, General Nogovitsyn also took what seemed to be a swipe at the American military support for the Georgian Army while he was answering a question of what Russia would do with several captured Humvees bearing United States Marine Corps markings. The vehicles had been in Georgia for a military exercise this summer and were in Poti awaiting shipment to the United States when the war broke out.

“We have taken all this equipment to a certain place and are guarding it,” he said. “I don’t know what the fate of these Hummers will be. We don’t have time to think of such little details.”

He said some captured equipment might be “recycled” and added: “We’ll think what to do with it. It’s not our priority right now to give back vehicles to the U.S.”

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